Why Live in Norway?
This (long) post was a lot harder to write than I thought. It isn’t that Norway isn’t a great place to live but everything I found that is great is based on my own value systems. So, to get a well-rounded impression of why it is ‘great’ to live in Norway, I hope that all the readers will add the things that have made it worthwhile for them to leave their family, friends and country to make Norway their home.
Addressing the Do You Really Want to Live in Norway arguments – there is an opposition in all things:
Social Benefits
Norway has a strong welfare system. Social welfare is a safety net for many people. If anything happens such as unemployment or sickness, it is reassuring to know that you can get help if needed. Living in a place that has a strong welfare system gives extra security or peace of mind, especially for those who are from abroad. Just knowing that it is there makes the decision to move to Norway much easier. Everyone has access to child benefits, unemployment benefits, pensions, maternity/paternity and medical benefits no matter their wage or social status. Another good element is that the Norwegian welfare system is very supportive of pregnant women and children. (All medical care is free for pregnant women and children.) It also supports parental leave (although at the moment this is currently being reformed.) The health care service, even though sparse, is one of the best in the world. In fact, Norway this year has been voted the best place in the world to give birth.
Wages and Money
Wages are very good in Norway but they are comparable to living expenses. Even though living in Norway is expensive (Oslo is usually the most expensive city in the world to live according the the Most Expensive City index) buying abroad is a delight. Norway has certainly embraced internet shopping. A book that you buy for kr.9o (US$18) in Norway you can buy for around kr.36 (US$7) in the UK including shipping. However, Norwegians are careful not to import anything greater that kr.500 as the import taxes are outrageous. Items kr.500 or less are not taxed on import. It is also very noticeable how far the Norwegian crown goes when traveling or on holidays. Norwegians travel to Europe for weekend shopping sprees and regularly cross the border to Sweden for cheaper items such as alcohol, cigarettes, meat and chocolate. Your money goes a lot further in Norway if you live like a Norwegian. Many Norwegians have backyard green houses or gardens and it is a typical lifestyle to hunt natural food such as moose and deer. Picking berries and mushrooms is a seasonal activity for many Norwegians and can even work as a good source of pocket money. Another bonus for immigrants from poorer countries is that when Norwegian crowns are sent back home to support family it goes a lot further.
Tax in Norway
Tax in Norway is very high. As Norway has a strong welfare system workers have a higher tax rate than many other countries. It is expected that the rich give to the poor. This is because Norway is considered a ‘socialist’ country. Socialist countries want everyone to have the same (the same education, the same work and the same money). This is particularly good for people ‘up-grading’ to Norway. It might seem a negative for the rich, however, they are entitled to the same support and welfare conditions as the poor. In this respect, Norway’s social welfare system is fairer than other competitors such as Australia, Canada and the UK.
However, the great thing about the tax system in Norway is that everything is done for you. If you have an employer there is no need to lodge your own tax form as the government does all the paper work (for free) and sends you a copy. If you agree you don’t do anything, if you don’t then you can take things further. For a person who doesn’t like doing taxes this is a great service. However, it also means that government agencies talk to one another, sharing your information. In a place like Australia this is considered an invasion of privacy as you are not in control of your personal information. This means in Australia you have to communicate to every government service separately to get or give information. As Norway is a ‘socialist’ country, when you are in the system everyone can find you. For example, I didn’t need to give my details to the hospital when I was in for having a baby as they just acquired it from the midwife clinic in town. Also, when registering my child’s name, mine and my husband’s details were already cited on the form. Since being in Norway having all my information available to authorised services has made life so much easier (especially when I don’t speak the language or know the systems in Norway). This certainly will sound scary to some but if you don’t have anything to hide then it is very practical.
Accommodation In Norway
Accommodation in Norway is expensive. However, because of the harsh climate, housing must be of a high standard. (Of course, there will always be quality differences but we are talking generally here.) Living spaces have double glass windows to keep out the cold and have good heating. Houses are clustered together to reduce amenity cost. This also means that yards are very small and fences are rarely used. However, many of the features of a Norwegian house may not be as glamourous (it is very rare to have swimming pools, landscape gardening or gazebos) but it is a practical way to live with the Winter and large amounts of snowfall. Other climate features of Norwegian housing include wooden panels, small windows, small rooms, fire places, vinyl or wooden floors, wooden structures and framing, heaters under windows, floor heating, no ceiling lights (as lamps are expected to be used) and living space with sharp arched ceilings. If you are used to big open spaces, lots of windows and outdoor areas, a Norwegian house will take some getting used to. When the look and features of a Norwegian house is understood then the quality can stand out. Buying a house in Norway takes a lot of money and generally requires two incomes. However, it is common for houses to have at least one apartment attached to rent out to supplement expenses.
Food in Norway
Food is expensive in Norway especially if you eat out or have a fresh food diet. The trick in dealing with food prices is to eat like a Norwegian. Norwegians eat homemade meals. They eat a lot of potatoes, swede and carrots, soups and stews, open sandwiches and cheaper meats like pølser and salami. Eating beef steaks and fresh salads everyday can put a strain on the budget. The other cheaper way of eating in Norway is seasonally. Fresh items are much cheaper when they are in season. Also, Norwegians still hunt and gather. As mentioned above, fishing, hunting deer and moose, collecting seagull eggs, berry picking and hobby farming for produce is common in Norway. Buying frozen products is still very popular but there are good reasons for this. It is easier to transport, has a lower risk of spoilage and can last longer especially when smaller communities only buy small amounts. But there are also culinary reasons. For example: In countries like Australia sheep can graze outside all year and be slaughtered at any time. In Norway during the Winter, sheep stay in barns and cannot eat fresh pastures (because the ground is covered with five foot of snow). As it is well known that lamb is best in flavour and texture when it has had a season on the mountain pastures, all slaughtering is done in Autumn when the lambs have come down from the mountains. The excess if frozen to ‘lock in the flavour’ rather than having sub-standard flavours of fresh meat other times of the year. At the moment Norway is on the verge of developing its food variety and quality. TV cooking shows are on the rise and Norway’s national romanticism for traditional food is being challenged with fresh, exotic and imported produce. There are new quality assurance groups popping up like Nyt Norge and Økologisk that strive to give the consumer Norwegian made food. A the moment Norway at the moment has a lot of potential in the food business.
Working Conditions
As stated in Do you Really Want to Live in Norway, working conditions are very good. It is mandatory for workers to take five weeks holiday a year. There are also many public holidays through out the year (especially in May) and many perks like traveling for seminars and workshops. Work hours are generally 8.00-16.00 and all businesses are closed on Sundays except for convenient services or tourist and entertainment venues. Vacations and free-time is very important in Norway. There are good job opportunities for those who are educated. As Norway is trying to run like a normal Western country it doesn’t have enough qualified people to function. Therefore Norway has a large workforce poached from other countries to fill in the gaps. Education, oil, shipping, computing and technology, medical and service industries are large employers of international workers. Because Norway lacks many services and conveniences there are many opportunities for entrepreneurs. It is easy to set up a small business, be self employed or work as a freelancer in Norway. This doesn’t require any language skills at all and there are even funds from municipalities for such ventures.
Free Education
Education is free in Norway. Even university is free for all. This is certainly a bonus when living in Norway. However, at the moment Norway is ranked 6th in the world on the Education Index when it comes to. However, it is ranked 23th in Maths below Poland, Korea and New Zealand. Free education by no means means good education. It is said that because Norway is a socialist country it spends all its education money on trying to catch up the slower kids so everyone gets the ‘same’ education. This means that there is no care for smart kids – they are not encouraged to excel. It seems that this is because there are not enough teachers to go around. There are some private schools and some ‘free learning’ schools that claim to nurture the individuals needs and also a few English-speaking schools for immigrant children. These schools are only found in bigger cities. With this said, it is always up to the individual to push themselves in education, which is certainly not a bad thing. If a student wants to excel, Norway will not stop them but will still give them the same free tools as everyone else to do so.
However, all of the above aren’t the real reasons to live in Norway.
As mentioned in Do You Really Want to Live in Norway, it is ‘quality of life’ that is a major deciding factor when it comes to choosing Norway over any other country. I will admit, a lot the value of living in Norway is about its potential. Norway tries hard to be better – harder than most countries. Even though right now it fails in a lot of areas, Norway’s strive to become the best place to live is what draws a lot of people to the kingdom of the North. I find that many of the reasons to live in Norway are for the long term benefits. You have to live here first, usually for many years, before you are rewarded. These are just some of the things that, if not made me move, have certainly made me stay in Norway:
There is a Slow Movement creeping up in the world for people who like life as a fine wine – to take a long time and be savoured. However, this slowness is an everyday thing in Norway, so if you like to take your time and enjoy life then you should move to Norway:
Time
In the modern world time is priceless. Everyone wants wants it and those who have it don’t have enough. More time is what you will find you have in Norway. The regular shops aren’t open on Sundays, neither are a lot of cafes, bakeries or restaurants. There are a few here and there but these are rare or have a season of Sunday openings for tourists in the Summer. There is no such thing as 24 hour shopping. Regular stores close by 3pm, businesses by 4pm, shopping centres by 8pm and supermarkets by 10/11pm. There aren’t as many busses or trains, you spend more time waiting and on Sundays most transport doesn’t start til 11am. In Tromsø it is common to see tourists in the city stuck on a Sunday wandering around looking in the windows of dark shops wondering what to do. This slows down life dramatically. Suddenly you have more time because there is no time to pop down the shop or to get a paper or to have breakfast in a bakery. All of a sudden there is time to read that book or to go for a hike or to paint the house. Time is something that Norwegians have more than most other Western countries. Time is treasured as a Norwegian past-time.
Space
Traditionally Norwegians houses were built small to retain heat in the cool Winters. Nowadays it is popular to have lounge rooms with open plan living. Even though the space inside is getting bigger, the space outside has always been a wilderness. Just outside the door are forests and lakes, mountains and fjords. If not, then they are just up the road. It is easy to go somewhere and be the only one in the park or on the beach. There is good distance between cities and towns. The people of Norway are spread out along the countryside. It is typical to see a string of houses along the longest fjord or a tiny glow of light between the mountains from an airplane. Norwegians enjoy distance and aren’t afraid to be the only ones on an island. Peace and tranquility is something that is in abundance in Norway and so is enjoying your own company.
Leisure
Even though Norway has a cold climate most leisure activities are outdoors. Snow sports in the Winter and water sports in the Summer. All unorganized sports and activities seem to be about getting out in nature. Kayaking, mountain biking, sailing, ice fishing, snow mobiling. Going swimming at the pool and having saunas are usual weekly activities especially in Winter. Many people play indoor sports such as volleyball, soccer and even frisbee. It is common to play on a sports team from work. Even though the water is usually too cold at the beach for a dip it certainly doesn’t stop people from BBQing, sunbathing or playing volleyball. Municipalities even encourage people with community competitions – in Tromsø we have an activity called Ti på Toppen (Ten on Top) which is a photo competition that encourages people to go hiking up ten mountains to take pictures. The best part of all is that all this leisure isn’t saved up for the holidays, it is an every day thing. It can be because of the time and space of Norway.
Capacity
Capacity is about how much one can do in a community. In every community there are activities and events going on all the time – festivals, exhibitions, seminars etc. In large cities, (we are talking 2,000,000+ here), there are so many activities that you can’t know all that is going on, let alone go to them all. This makes life very fast. (I can’t remember what this is called or the study behind it, so please feel free to name it below) but when a person has too many choices they are pulled in many directions and therefore can miss out on a lot. Having too many things going on in a community can be very frustrating and unsatisfying, and causes an overload in a modern life. There is a long term study about this modern societal hazard in Melbourne Australia (I don’t know the results yet) as there are so many events and on-goings clashing and overlapping. It is not until you live a slower, simpler life such as Norway that you realise this overload happens. In Norway most cities are around 100,000 people (Oslo is only 500,000). This means that there is never an overload of festivals, activities and events. There can be times where there is nothing happing in the community. To some this might sound boring but I must say that Norwegians have an amazing talent in relying on their own ability to entertain themselves. People who live in modern cultures just have to go outside to be entertained. Norwegians make their own entertainment. They are more active in their lives than those who allow outside forces to entertain them. Rather than opening the paper and seeing what’s on to entertain you, Norwegians most often do not have this luxury. And even though there is not much to choose from it doesn’t mean Norwegians go to everything that is on. In fact, in Tromsø a couple of years back Paul McCartney played to a third filled stadium. It wasn’t that there isn’t enough people in Tromsø to fill the stadium (as every Sunday football it is packed to the brim), Tromsø just didn’t want to go. My point is that Norwegian have more power to cover their choice of activities and events because they don’t need to be entertained. Therefore they don’t get overloaded with society’s offers and have more time to themselves. As an Australian, it is really refreshing to be entertainment-empowered. Back home I was always bouncing from community festival to film festival to food festival all because it was on and I had gotten into the habit of being a ‘socialite’ and ‘up-to-date’. In Norway, it is nice not to do anything rather than go to every festival and event, and some of the best times of the year is when there is nothing on in the community at all. (This might seem like a odd point ‘For’ living in Norway but while in London or Sydney I felt life was going so fast that I wasn’t living. As mentioned above I have written this post from my own perspective.)
Health
It is a well known fact, especially amongst Norwegians, that Norwegians a pretty healthy people. It is largely because of the INconvenience of Norway – there are only two fast food places (MacDonalds and Burger King) which are only in certain cities; there is a lot of snow in Winter so it takes so much more energy just to walk anywhere and food prices are very high so no one can afford to over-eat. There are also many cultural habits that help keep Norwegians healthy too. In Norway a swig of oil a day keeps the doctor away. Kindergarten children are kicked outside to play come rain, hail or snow (which I think establishes the love for the outdoors). It is fun to get around in Winter to work or school on skis or sleds. And during the Summer the sun is up til all wee hours of the night and it is common to see Norwegians still out and about jogging or roller-skiing. The health of Norwegians is obviously influenced by their active lifestyle. Their diet, which consists of a large amount of fish, is also a great contributing factor. Health is also relative to environment. Norway has very clean water and fresh air. There is a strong recycled waste program and because of the health care system Norwegians get things checked out before they become a major health problem. Norwegian’s don’t often get skin damage by the sun such as wrinkled, sun spots and freckles (although there are a few women around who look like leather bags from bathing in solariums all Winter). Norwegians are taught the tricks of the trade in living in a cold climate to prevent problems such as using cold creams and wearing wool. The general health of Norwegians is very noticeable when you come to Norway. It can be a little intimidating if you have come from a sunburnt country but also very intriguing to find out their secrets.
Nature
It is no doubt that the nature of Norway is one of it’s most prized possessions. I’ve heard many people say that they nearly cried the first time they saw the mountains and the fjords. Norway is one of the great beauties of the world and is certainly a place that can give great joy by just walking outside. The climate is very cold and snowing in the Winter, but ever so beautiful. The summers are mild but bright. The landscape dramatically changes in each season which is a delight. If you don’t like nature then Norway isn’t the place for you but if you love it you will be in heaven.
Tradition
I come from a new country so for me it is lovely to live in a place that is so rich in history and tradition. I’m fascinated by the Vikings and their runes. I enjoy the Sami culture and love learning about the herding life. I love to hear stories about the Nordmen and the superstitions and traditions in farming and fishing. I am humbled by how Norway survived the world wars and by the tales of Finnmark. Having bunads and royalty and heritage horses and rock carving and cream cake is all very exciting and has fulfilled my expectations of living in a different country. Customs and culture can be a tough nut to crack, sometimes even disheartening, but other times heart-warming – it is all in the adventure of being an outlander.
Family
Norway is a great environment to raise a family. It has very low crime, free health and education and the government focuses on opportunities for children. The family unit is very important in Norway. Not so much the extended family as in other countries, but parents and children seem to be close knit. Most families have one or two children. Parents give a lot of time to their children, taking them out into the wilderness and teaching them about the land and the weather. Even though parents are quick to put their kids into childcare (as they want to continue with their own careers) they think the quicker their children adapt to society’s rules and customs the easier their life will be. However, many Norwegian children are very placid and controlled. They don’t get too excited and they aren’t energetic. The do not care for mingling with new people and are intimidated by confident (and loud Australian) children bounding up to them wanting to play. It is common to see parents playing with their children and participating in outdoor activities. You’ll often see parents putting toddlers on sleds which are strapped around the parents waist for Winter hiking trips. Parents are involved in kindergarten activities and also attend community events. They take their kids on holidays – Southern Europe, US and up to the mountain cabin at Easter. Kids are trusted by their parents (and parents also trust the community). They are free to play without supervision in parks and on sledding hills. Parents support their kids in out of school activities. From Norwegian kids there are no public displays or outbursts, (I’ve never seen a tantrum yet in a shopping centre). I’ve never seen a parent and a kid have a disagreement. There is no yelling or screaming. No public discipline. (In fact, there was a new law passed last year that parents are not allowed to smack their children.) It is very nice to have a culture where kids are not yelled at or smacked, especially in public. When kids reach their teenage years they are naturally given a lot more independence. Especially in rural areas, teenagers leave home to go to high school. When they leave the nest teenagers live their own lives and when become parents themselves in turn focus on their own family unit.
Language
Learning other languages is a very important part of Norwegian culture. Just knowing Norwegian enables them to understand and speak Swedish and sometimes Danish. They have a better grasp of German and can easily pick up other European languages, particularly Spanish and Russian. Sami is taught in many schools as a first language and so is Ny Norsk on the West Coast. English, of course, is their major foreign language focus as much of Norwegian society is becoming reliant on English.
Living Next to Other Countries
This opens up wonderful opportunities of learning about other cultures and peoples. Many people from around Europe come to Norway for work or holidays. It is also wonderful to have so many countries close by to visit.
Living in the Country
I’ve always been one of those people who have dreamed to live in the country but I have always lived in the city. It was too hard to live in the country because it was too easy to live in the city. However, in Norway, practically everywhere is the country. Most cities are miniature and are supported by agriculture. Oslo was the first capital city I had lived in under 3 million people. Just a twenty minute drive out and your can hit farmland. Even though Oslo has most of what other bigger cities have, most of the people in Oslo seem to have come from a small country town. The Norwegian population is very spread out which makes for small communities. It certainly makes it hard for things to be convenient but much easier to live the Slow Movement. At first I was scared to live in such small places but now I wouldn’t have it any other way. The life is certainly not for everyone but most small cities has ‘one-of-each’ so you can survive if you are a hard-core city fan. However, you can guarantee that all Norwegian cities are ‘cities with benefits’.
Health and Safety
Just a quick mention – It has been wonderful to use common sense to live life here in Norway. It has taken me a little to get used to but I can just walk around a hole or step over a cord without the government writing a book on how I am supposed to do it.
My Personal Reasons for Wanting to Live in Norway
I have many layered reasons of why I am living in Norway. Most of them are because I want a better life and opportunity for my kids and family. Now when I say ‘better’, I mean that Norway is better than any other country for me to live in to fulfill my hopes and dreams. (It certainly doesn’t mean I am dissing Australia. Australia is a fine place to live, especially if it can make your achieve your hopes and dreams.) But here are just some things why I choose to live in Norway:
- I live in Norway because I have a most wonderful Norwegian family. My family life is all I could ever ask for. My immediate family is young and happy. We love each day we spend together. My extended family is the best I could ever ask for. I am very lucky in Norway as my extended family is very close. We are a larger than normal clan (Moose is one of five) with parents, children and grandparents, uncles, aunties and cousines who all interact and spend time together. We see each other several times a year and all meet up at Christmas. Every couple of years all our family from all over the world meet up in Finland for a reunion. This is all unusually Norwegian. My kids and I are so blessed to be in such a Norwegian family like this.
- I live in Norway because I want to give opportunities to my kids that I never had. Living so close to other countries and cultures. Weedender trips to the southern Europe. Skiing holidays and lots of nature loving activities. My children will grow up in a multi-language society and will learn a handful of languages (at least three fluently) and dialects and be exposed to many more. Norwegians live very close to nature and because of my family my children experience farm life. Because of the Norwegian outdoor culture my kids will grow up in a healthy active enviroment.
- I also live in Norway to give my kids what I had when I was growing up. Back home in the 70s there was no fear of your children playing outside in the yard by themselves or even street cricket with the other neighbourhood kids. Outdoor activity is what we did all day, every day. (I was six when the first Atari video games made their way into homes.) Even though Norway is up with all entertainment technology, kids are out and about playing in the snow, sledding down hills and having fun building caves. This is something I really enjoyed from my childhood (that you just can’t do in most Western countries of the world now) and I want my children to have that joy and freedom too. In Norway they have it.
- I live in Norway because I feel a lot more appreciated for the work that I do. As a dance teacher and theatre practitioner, it was hard to make a career in Oz as the Arts are not appreciated. Even though the Norwegain Arts inductry only survives because of government money (like Oz) there are so many positive opportunities and inititatives that are about nurturing artists and enabling them to pass on their craft to the rising generation. Especially in Northern Norway my craft is needed and for once it is nice to be valued for my choice of career.
- I live in Norway because of the lifestyle – it is slow, peaceful and nature-loving. Simple activities are treasured here like going berry picking or salmon fishing. The balance of video and technological entertainment is healthy, not excessive. Nature and seasons are highly valued and the attitude is to make the most out of it every day.
- And if I didn’t put this in I would have some explaining to do: I live in Norway because of my wonderful husband. When you are an international couple you always have to choose where you want to live. Since Moose had already experienced English-speaking culture which enabled him to understand who I was, we decided to live in Norway so I could get to know him as a Norwegian. It is true that the more you learn about someones culture, their origins and family, you get to know them much more too. I always think that when I will look back I will see these years as the time I fell in love with Norway. But really these are the years I fall deeper in love with my Norwegian.
In Conclusion
As you can see, Norway wouldn’t suit everyone, just those who want a carefree family life with a healthy lifestyle and amazing natural beauty. This post has been written by a city girl from Oz so, of course, there are so many other great reasons for living in Norway that haven’t been focused on here (human rights, civil freedom, equality, animal rights, and the list goes on). Norway is different for everyone, sometimes she is perfect and other times her Viking warrior comes out and destroys hope. If anything, you need to give Norway time before you can reap the rewards. I’d say it is good to give Norway at least five years before deciding if she is right for you. Just like lapskaus or bløtkake, it needs to sit for a while before serving and will always be much nicer the next day.
Part one of this series: Do You Really Want to Live in Norway




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Our family activities have become traditional to the seasons…
Lathari beach is the only beach in Alta.
Reindeer herding is more than just an occupation, it is a way of life and an integral part of the Sami culture and identity.
A lonely mountain on the edge of the Finnmark Plateau.
Table settings are very much a part of the tradition of serving cake.
Wow, that must have taken you a while to write! Really nice article, I’ve lived here for 2.5 years now and agree with nearly everything you write.
I didn’t realise you were such a “BIG city” girl
must have been such an enormous change coming to Tromsø!! (I’m from the Netherlands which is one of the most densely populated countries in the world, yet our biggest city (Amsterdam) has only 750.000 inhabitants).
BTW, Ti på Topp is about climbing mountains and encouraging people to get active, not really about photography. At least not anymore, last year there was a photo competition on the side but this year there isn’t. I’ve joined it for the second time now, I LOVE this initiative and think it sums up a lot about Norwegian culture. It’s for everyone from kids to old people (half of the mountains are relatively easy ones that anyone can do, for example last year the top of Tromsø island was one), it encourages people to get active, to discover new places and to have fun in their free time
It’s organised all over the country as well, not just here.
Anyway, thanks for writing this article, I think it’s a great summary of the many good things you can find in Norway
Good to hear how much you enjoy your life her as well! I came her for the same reason, though my boyfriend is from the UK which does make a big difference (that we are both foreigners here). Because of that, I am not sure we will stay forever, but we are enjoying our time here very much as well. And we’ll definitely miss Norway when we move away – where else can you have nature on your doorstep, a great job in cycling distance, and an amazing view right from your living room??
What a beautiful post!
(we were there last Christmas and last week for our holiday) We love Norway for a great nature (but we also live in a nice place here in Italy) and for people. We have some little problem with languages (we only speak a little english, usually italian people don’t know languages very well) and we can’t leave our parent alone, but we hope to spend a great time in Norway during our holiday in the future! 
I’m an italian women and I’m, whit my husband, a Norway lover
Thank you for this nice site!
Susina
First of all, thank you very much for wonderful post! I really enjoy your blog and actually I became a regular visitor
And what a beautiful photo! Where is it taken and what time it was? Can I have it on my email in full resolution and for my personal use? Pleaseeeee
Regards from Drammen
Zoran
It’s a nitpick, but I’d like to point out that not all Norwegian houses have small windows. In the south-east (I live in Østfold), the have the biggest picture windows I have ever seen. I grew up (in the US) in a turn-of-the-century house with huge windows and had a friend that lived in a McMansion with huge windows…and they have -nothing- on the windows I’ve seen around here.
My own reasons for living in Norway are broadly similar to yours, minus the child-related ones. I used to assume that my husband and I would retire in the US. One day, it occurred to me that I had no real desire to go back and would probably be happier to live out my life in Norway.
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from L-Jay:
I have only seen two houses in Tromsø that have a wall window, but they don’t have sliding doors and they are supposed to be those expensive ‘eco-houses’. Back home in Oz we have ceiling to floor windows with large sliding glass doors. I haven’t seen anything of the sort here for obvious reasons. The size of your house window is probably not big enough for my ‘big’…lol. One of the main reason for such big windows is that is keeps the house cooler – something essential living in a hot place.
I think houses that have been built in Norway before the sixties (which is a good majority of them) have those smaller windows, especially in rural areas. It seems that people got bigger windows when it became easier to heat the house with electricity. You have to remember that usually if you have lots of glass with big windows your electricity bill is much higher because windows don’t keep heat in. (And with that I think it is very weird that heaters are placed under windows here.) There might be such a thing as insulated windows but I don’t think Norwegian houses can afford to outfit like that. I also find that windows get a little bigger on the south side of the house for the warm sun and are, of course, smaller on the north side to retain warmth and also keep out the midnight sun. I find it odd that a lot of places in their bathrooms, especially apartments, don’t have windows at all. I thought at least this room deserved ventilation.
But then, they do have that suction thingy in the roof, which I am not convinced is effective.
I think it is true when they say your home is where your heart is. It is lovely to know that people put their hearts in people rather than a piece of land. I think that is why people can so easily move their life to the other side of the world when their partner will be there also
The information in this post is what I was hoping for when I read the “Do you really want to live in Norway” post which left me disheartened about starting a life in Norway. Being a city girl myself (a lawyer from Sydney) I relate to many of the comments you make about the societal and cultural differences but I am also hopeful of happiness here. So, keep up the positive posts which make for a satisfied subscriber to your blog.
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from L-Jay:
I much prefer writing positive posts
. (Less work as it is not as controversal and I don’t get as many comments back
Plus, I want everyone to like Norway.) But I also think it is very important to try and give an honest and well rounded idea of Norway especially for those who want to immigrate. I think ‘negative’ posts help with understanding some of the challenges immigrants can face in Norway. I write them in hope that they will help people make better, informed decisions and safeguard themselves from common, and even uncommon, obstacles so their transition to Norway can be succesful and happy.
Here are some other ‘negative’ posts that can be helpful for immigrants:
August 2008: A Social Norwegian
November 2008: 15 Things I’m Not Afraid to Admit
May 2009: Lasting in Norway
June 2009: Immigrants Behaving Badly
Novemeber 2009: Norway is a Small Town
May 2010: 10 Tips on Surviving Norway
The thing about the windows, which is over my comment, I want to comment on
In my house (in Trondheim) we have this room, made of glass which sticks out of the house where our veranda used to be
It is made of glass from top to bottom, except the roof and the floor. We have lots of open spaces and a(relatively) big garden
I realise that this isn’t very common in Norway, but I just wanted to mention that
AND I think that the houses get smaller the closer to town they are and bigger the further away. Because you have more space further away, right? My friend lives in Klæbu, and has this really big house
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It sounds like your window structure is a sun-room. It is very typical in Norway especially for apartments. Balconies are enclosed with glass and windows to let the sun in but also keep out winds, snow or bugs. It’s like having an extra room. It acts almost like a greenhouse in Sommer and some people even have BBQs in this area.
I find that houses don’t spread out but go up in Norway. This is ideal to get houses closer together for utilities. Most houses have cellars (usually turned into flats) and attic bedrooms. Also it is more effictent to have tall houses for heating as heat travels up. it puts less strain on the roof too from snow.
Very insightful post. When I first met Moose years ago I asked him why wouldn’t he want to come to America to live, and he replied “why would I?” Having since visited Alta and reading your posts I understand…
Could you share with us about ‘how you’re learning Norwegian language’ and how you are adapting Norwegian culture in your daily life?
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Well, that is really what this whole blog is about
. If you go to ‘A’s comment above, I have replied to her with some links. That will get you started.
Great post! To me, it does give a balanced view of what living in another country is like. Hopefully one day, I’ll be able to do just that – live in another country.
Although I live in a multicultural society, it would be nice to experience life from another point of view.
Anyway, your post does make me think Norway is a wonderful country to visit and live in.
Great post! I’m impressed. .. Though most Norwegian cities do not have around 100,000 people. Very few actually. And not all places in Norway have very snowy winters. I live on the west coast. And the winters are very mild and rainy here. Which I’m thankful for, because I hate the winter! Doesn’t snow very much at all. And all Norwegians understand Swedish and Danish. (unless you’re very stupid) but very few speak it. I live on the west coast and in my city we are taught “bokmål” not all cities on the west coast are “nynorsk”.”… It’s easier to pick up German, but not Spanish and Russian. (I don’t think a lot of schools teach that language).
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The post is a generalisation. My information is correct but it is generalised. Of course, each place will have varying degrees of what I have mentioned but that is why it is most useful to generalise.
But it is good to hear about other parts of the country – but knowing what city you are talking about would be handy
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(I’m going to be using this comment to explain to readers why it is good to generalise
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But for all readers:
There is good purpose in generalising for the whole country. If I was writing about the UK, I would write about the UK as a whole not segregate by England, Scotland and Wales, the South Coast, Midlands, Kent, London and Bath, or include the island Guersey and Gibraltar, or Hong Kong, Australia, India, Canada etc. When you talk generally it is about provinding an overview and not a macro (or micro) account. So the information I provided isn’t wrong it is just generalised.
For example:
around 100,000 people
- means that the cities are very small. In fact, I’d say that my ‘around’ includes 5,000 to 200,000. This is because I am saying there are no cities with a million people or two million or ten million. Saying 100,000 gives people a better idea of cities in Norway. Again as stated above, I’m not going to name every single city and how many people they have. If people want to find out they can just Wiki.
not all places in Norway have very snowy winters
- of course, not all places, but most places – I’m generalising. To me, if Bergen gets any snow it is a ‘snowy-winter’ (compare to Australia that get none). Or if we want to get more technical, I’m sure Bergen gets more snow than the Snowy Mountains in Australia would ever get. At least from Oslo to Nordkapp which is at least 80% of Norway, has a ‘snowy-winter’ meaning it snows at least a foot, and from Trondheim up get five feet.
And all Norwegians understand Swedish and Danish. (unless you’re very stupid) but very few speak it.
- I’ve written that it ‘enables’ them to understand and speak. Though I have worked with both Norwegains and Danish together in the workplace and the Danes had to speak English around the Norwegians because they didn’t understand them (especially with their numbering). Being ‘enabled’ means you have more of a chance to understand and speak.
I live on the west coast and in my city we are taught “bokmål” not all cities on the west coast are “nynorsk
- I didnt’t say all cities teach nynorsk, I said ‘many schools on the West Coast’, (especially compared to schools that aren’t on the West Coast). It is a gernalisation. Nynorsk is a common language on the West Coast (and an official language of Norway). Nynorsk is also integrated into the West Coast culture – on the West Coast even milk cartons have nynorsk writing saying ‘mjølk’ instead of the bokmål ‘melk’. But to be specific: Sogn og Fjordane, north of Bergen (on the West Coast) are the national ‘guardians’ of nynorsk.
It’s easier to pick up German, but not Spanish and Russian
- Spanish is extremely common in schools in Norway. Russian is more of a Northern Norwegian taught language – so is Sami. These langauges are much more easily picked up just from the mere fact that it would be a third language for Norwegains (English being the second). It is well known that already learning how to learn a langauge makes other languages easier to learn. But again, I am generalising.
So there are always reasons to my maddness and I am happy to spell them out to readers when they don’t understand my point.
Even though I generalise, it is for the sake of ‘writing’ that I do. Readers are most welcome to make me get specific.
What an enjoyable post. Reading it made me remember how just living for a short time in Norway, really shaped a lot of my values and how I live my life. I am thankful to Norway and my Norwegian friends for so many reasons.
I think I just had a nationalistgasm. The only thing norwegians love more than patting our own backs is having someone do it for us
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So true!
Are you sure you can make a purchase up 500NOK from overseas before you get taxed? Last time I checked it was 200NOK. Just wondering because I buy things from overseas quite a lot and it’s pretty hard trying to stay under 200.
Hello L-Jay!
) I also signed up to take Norwegian at my university this fall.
I’ve been reading your blog for a few weeks now. I’m so happy such a blog exists.
My boyfriend is an international student from Norway – he came to America to study architecture. The longer we have been together, the more interested I am becoming in Norway. I started learning Norwegian from your blog, and he helps me with my pronunciation. He’s surprised at my progress – and I have you and him to thank.
This post and your other related post really helps me understand Norwegian culture, because there is a strong chance I will move there someday. His mama came to visit us in Oregon and she was so kind – if I move there I look forward to spending time with her.
Thanks for your blog, please keep it up! It makes me happy.
) takk ~
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Vær så god!
Andreas said the exact opposite regarding shop hours when he moved here to Aus – he HATES that our shops are never open!! He’s frustrated that everything is shut by the time he’s done with uni.
For Andreas’ family in Østerås, the common practise was to buy food for dinner on the way home from work – rather than buying in bulk for 2 wks worth of meals, as I do. So our observation was over there they buy less, and shop late, so the shops are tiny and open longer. This isn’t to disagree with you though, as obviously it depends when, where, how you’re used to shopping in either country.
I might’ve said it before but he seems to swing the other way on a bunch of your posts, which I put down to him being a city boy. I’m a country girl so I love reading about the other side of Norway and can’t wait to force him to show me around the north! It seems so homey
Just for kicks I might add that he’s currently embarrassing his home country by constantly sooking about the cold here
Can’t cope without his central-heating!
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Shopping habits of Norwegians are a little different from Oz. As an Aussie I would fill up a shopping cart so I would only have to go once every two weeks. In Norway the shopping carts are a lot smaller and I never see anyone fill them except when there is a big special on when they buy up big to store for six months – toilet paper for example or moose. I’ve also slipped into the Norwegian habit of going to the shops once a day. I think Norwegians do this because there is not much else to do (going on a mission to the shops is a lot easier than running around the park to get out of the house) but it is also because Norwegians don’t really plan dinners. Rather than buying everything they need for dinners for the week, they just look in the fridge and see what they could make out of the things they already have. Usually they will then go to the shops to buy the rest (and nothing else – they don’t think about getting stuff for dinner the next day.) even though Norwegians go to the shops often, the shops still have a very limited variety of food. This is probably the reason why they only buy a little each time. Of course, I’m talking about ‘city’ Norwegians who can’t live off the land anymore. City folk are basically trying to live an ‘English-speakers’/cosmo life. it is the places that have 50,000 people or less (which is most places in Norway) that have more Norwegian tradition with food and how they get it.
In Oz I was always excited by all the new things and would buy lots to try out. I don’t think Norwegians like trying new things as there are many new food lines that just crash and burn.
With the heat thing – I find that Norwegians have all the gear to keep warm in winter where Aussies don’t and so Aussies can handle cold a lot better. I am often walking around the city in just a T-shirt and everyone else has a jacket on…lol. The thing is Norwegians like to be hot. When they get hot they can still keep everyting on but when Aussies get hot we take all our clothes off. It is a defence mechanism for living in a hot country I think.
L-Jay,
Thanks for the post on Norway. I visited over twenty years ago and been back three times.
I have a love for the culture, people and land.
You have done a nice job articulating the uniqueness of the people and the emphasis on family.
Could you please send me you email to correspond or Facebook link?
My intent is to move to Norway after December graduation from MBA.
Your insight would be helpful as I intend to make this a five year experiment. With my love for winter sports, Tromso seems to be the place I would like to return.
Also, do you know their is a world renowned sled dogger in Tromso. He took me kayaking and is infamous for running two Marathons in a single day (with the help of the midnight Sun)
John
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I am Spanish man who is looking to live in Norway. I found this information very useful and I have enjoied reading the article very much.
Thank you very much for the post.
Gracias:)
Why live in Norway, at times i do wonder but on balance think its a good place to live, but it does ta.ke some time to get used to. As you have said in your blog many times it is not plain sailing a lot the time, finding a job can be (is) very frustrating. Learning the språk can do your head in, people can be eye wateringly rude and one does get the feeling of Norwegians first in many things. As you say i think you need to try and let things go and not rise to the bait and fulfill the stereotype of the hysterical immigrant, its not easy on many occasions as sometimes you just want to scream.If you are coming here i think you need to realise that its going to take a good tow years before you feel anywhere close to a part of Norsk society, i have been here six months, i have a Norweigan wife and as a result a Norweigan extended family, who are all fantastic with me, but i don’t feel close to being a full part of Norweigian Society, it will come but it will take a good while i think
I live in the UK with my husband and two small children. I am always wondering about whether we should move elsewhere to give our children a better standard of living. Your post was so well written and informative and had a real ‘feel good’ factor. THANK YOU!!
Hello L-Jay,, I have offer of admission for master degree program in Computing from university of Stavenger Norway and University of southern Queensland Australia. I am a bit in dilemma choosing which country to go to have the best of my study life and after my studies,and probably which country can i get a chance to get permeant residence permit after the completion of my studies and which can i have a chance to get post graduate work. from your own experience,which country u think i should be better off?..i had been thinking about this for a while…..your insight will be appreciated
thanks
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It’s a tough one – choosing between one home and another. In terms of eduction I’d go with the one that was more renown. Uni of Stavanger only just got university status but the Southern QLD uni is not that prominent in Australia but Australia will give you a better education. You don’t really go to Norway for good computer science courses. Plus, here in Norway you don’t even need a degree in Computer Science to get a good job. I have a friend who just did a two year computing course and is now earning half a mil. But he is Norwegian and they tend to get the better jobs in Norway.
i love to live in Norway
hi, I,m from Macedonia. I’m married and me and my wife, we are young couple (still no kids). What documents we need to move in Norway
Thank You for any answer
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Hi L-Jay, I’ve been following your blog for quite some time now, and the thought of moving to northern Norway from the US has been heavily on my mind.
I am single and have no ties with any norwegians for that matter. I have read you have said about moving to Norway and working the transition alone can be difficult. Are there ways to meet good norwegian families while still living in the US?
Also, you have mentioned you have a norwegian husband and his family has helped you a great deal. May I ask, how you came across a norwegian to marry? Were you an import bride?
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Minnesota has the highest number of Norwegian descendants. They call themselves Norwegian-Americans.
Moose and I met at university when I was studying in Australia. We went to the UK to finish his studies and we married in Norway.
The reason why it is hard to connect with a Norwegian is because they are loners. Family units are small and they don’t have strong ties to extended family. It is rare to find a family that all live in the same city. Because of work, Norwegians usually have to leave their home towns to build careers and never go back.
Greetings!
I have researched much about Norway, and it is said education is free though not all together great. I live in Colorado, in America and I’ve completed my senior year, now looking for colleges as well as a place to live.
My dream is to move and perhapes live permanetly in Norway, though would it be easier if I attended college there in Norway instead of here in America? So then I could save the college money and live where I want to once I’ve graduated?
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If you come to Norway on a student visa you are required to leave once you have finished your studies.
I have many years before I would do some serious thinking about this, but I thought I might as well research the lifestyle now. I have some friends I game with online that are from Norway, and they got me interested in at least taking a look at the country. Your two-part piece has been really informative, and definitely made me think whether I would be a good fit there. The first part was especially helpful to me, it made me seriously think about if I was a good fit. There are some parts that don’t seem like me, but I feel like I would give it a shot if I were given the opportunity. (If I had the connections, haha!)
Even though I grew up when it wasn’t considered safe to play in the streets, I lived in an area where it was still okay. I would be out until the street lights came on, going from one friend’s house, to the pond to catch frogs, to another friend’s house. It’s nice to hear that there is still places like that.
It worries me the most that I am not an active individual, I don’t know if it’d be too hard to get back into an active life-style again.
The weather might be a little scary, but I live in a small town in New England in the US, so I’m no stranger to snow. I’d actually prefer to ditch the hot summers for something cooler. I suppose what seems like one of the larger hurdles will be the language.. I am currently learning Swedish, but I have a very hard time understanding Norwegian.
There are many serious things to think about for sure that are on the negative side, but it does sound like a wonderful place to raise children. My family was not very close at all, and if I were to ever have children, I would definitely want to give them an experience I could never have. I have lived in several small towns, but there was very little community.. Sure, we had some small events now and again, but it was very rare to strike up a conversation with your neighbor when getting the mail. Especially in the town I live in now, everyone hates everyone else on the street.
Alright, I’m typing waay to much. I’ve got some questions, if you’d possibly be able to give some answers!
Do you know of any people who moved from the USA to Norway? I don’t know much about Australia.. It’d be nice to know how big the change might be from someone coming from the US. How big the culture shock is.
A job is obviously the most important thing to figure out before moving. What sorts of jobs does Norway hold that make decent to very good money? Are there any fields that are considered ‘good’ to study, because they offer a lot of possibly opportunity to find a job? Hm.. it’s hard to explain this. I guess I’m just wondering what would be good fields to go in to, or specific jobs, if I wish to be successful.
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I would say if you are ‘commercialized’ as in – need access to all the trendy clothes, specialty foods and wine from the Mediterranean or love convenience of 24 hour shopping, then Norway would be very hard to live in. If you can live with the simple things in life, one choice of milk brand, then it would be easy. You have to make most things from scratch in Norway.
In terms of good employment you will need to speak Norwegian unless you are in the oil industry, computing or university. The better paid jobs are international ones with Norwegian-international business – and that is mainly the oil industry. Norway is an oil country.
You should check out our post How Much Do People Earn in Norway to get an idea. Anything around 500,000 p.a. is average.
cheers
We don’t eat very fancy here! Haha. So I suppose I’m safe there. (Generic products when possible, and I’m not yet of age to drink, which is also why I say I have plenty of time to think!) Oh.. another silly question, but I suppose it doesn’t hurt to ask. It’s not hard to find skim milk usually, is it?
As for trendy clothes, I just find cheap and comfortable clothes for the most part. I’m a sweater and jeans girl.
The link, it’s very informative, although slightly confusing with some of the numbers..
Tak!
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Skim milk, sure. you have the choice of one…lol. But if you live in Oslo, maybe two…lol. You remind me of one thing I should write about – what Norwegians wear. I’m a jeans and sweater girl too and I certainly stand out from the crowd because of it…lol.
Oh wow, really? I thought cold would mean warm clothing!
I’m often shown pictures from my friends from parties they’ve gone to, but I don’t often get to see what the girls wear, and I’ve never seen if the adults tend to dress differently. The young woman’s clothing appears to be rather flattering and slightly revealing clothing from what little I’ve seen.
I’ve seen the guy’s clothing, and at times it seems very different, and at times not too different. Usually I see cardigans, a shirt and scarf, a plain shirt with skinny jeans, or something similar to those.
I’m definitely hooked on this website, it’s got so much information. I’d love to see that article, I look forward to it.
thank you very much for wonderful post!, norway is one the most beatiful place in the world u are realy great
Thank you for your so very informative blog. I did so enjoy reading it. My son has recently returned from a four month stay in Norway, he travelled as far as Alta, then to Oslo, he described the country and the people so favourably, I want to visit.
Indeed he wants to live there. Which is why we are researching, and stumbled on your blog. My son is interested in opening a vegetarian cafe.
Keep up the good work! regards Maureen
Hello L-Jay,
Aug.2010 i applied for a family immigration for fiancee permit, i was already 3 month pregnant that time. March 2011 my permit was denied due to some misunderstanding about the income of my fiance who was a farmer, see i apply the permit the year hadnt finished yet, my fiance was a self-employed and therefor cannot state how much he had earned today unless the year end so, so we use the documentation for 2009 as a basis, which ended up as denied. we were give the chance to appeal so we had fully send all out the documents they had needed already. so in April 2011, two months after i gave birth here in Philippines, our appeal was received. By then its january 2012 more than 10 months since our appeal had been received and no news yet, they still keep saying its still in process which i doubt because i think it not a complicated situation we are into it, We had our daughter now turning one year old next month, she is already a Norwegian citizen since i had fix her papers here in the Phils. embassy in manila while waiting for an answer in my permit. We are really hopeless, please dont judge our situation now, we had been apart by my fiance for so many months and is been more than a year since i left Norway. i am really desperate seeking help about this situation, we are just trying to be a real family together. This is my reference number in UDI, my case is still procesing as they say 2010- 01907707, do you think this will reach for more than a year or so? i just wonder… please give me a solution to this…
I really hope to hear an answer from you.
Glicelh@yahoo.com
Tusen takk!!!
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The waiting lists are growing to over a year now to get permits for Norway. You have to wait your turn. Some people wait for five years before hearing an answer.
There is the issue of farmers – they do not make enough money to live on – they are usually subsidised by the government. Your fiance will have to pay for you and a baby which means he has to earn at least 230,000 to 460,000 (for two) a year. He just might not earn enough. This is not including all the application fees.
There is another issue of import brides, so cases from the Phillies are dealt with more harshly. Having a baby with a norwegian will not grant you entrance into Norway. It is hard to prove a relationship between two people is legitimate unless they are married (usually for least three years). The government will only approve your application if your fiance officially declares that the baby is his. But also be prepared to have to leave your baby behind – usually the UDI approves the adult application first and then the child’s later. I have known a few women from the Phillies that have had to leave their children behind for about three months until the child permits are approved.
Another issue might be that it sounds like you left for a holiday to Norway after you applied for a residency permit. You said you applied in Aug 2010 and then said from today ‘is been more than a year since i left Norway’. This is certainly a no-no. You must stay in your country of residence until the Norwegian permit is approved. Leaving will usually automatically deny your application.
Great blog L-Jay, thanks so much for your honest opinion, it is much appreciated and was just what I was looking for! We’re living in Adelaide and contemplating (and researching) relocating for Norway for a couple of years. My husband has UK citizenship and I think it would be a shame not to make the most of it and experience the other side of the world. We have a 1 year old daughter, I’m currently on maternity leave and my husband who is an Electrician has a very well paying job in the mining industry. However we would love a lifestyle change and a better work/life balance as well as many of the reasons you moved to Norway. We have another family who are good friends and living in Molde with their three children so we are lucky to have a local connection if we do decide to make the move. I guess we need to secure a job for my husband before even considering the move and also be brave enough to go ahead with the relocation and make the break from our family and friends here in Australia. I really enjoyed reading your blog and am appreciative of the honest insight of both the negatives and positives. Apart from missing family and friends one of our biggest uncertanties is living with the cold, dark weather for so many months of the year when we are very used to hot dry summers and fairly temperate weather. However we are outdoorsy people and think the scenery is spectacular and the ‘slowed’ pace lifestyle are both very appealing. Thanks again!
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Tusen takk. The money you earn in Norway greatly determines your happiness. Having a well paid job will get you an average life here. A good job will eliminate one of the major obstacles so you can focus on the others such as environment and social life. My advice it to make sure you have good financial support before you make your move so you don’t risk draining your money moving to Norway and then moving back to Oz six months later (if that is the case). Norway is very hard to live in if you are not financially secure. But it sounds like you have got it together
Hey! I’m Norwegian, and I have to say u for sure haven’t got your facts straight. F.ex. Norway is not socialist.
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The government may not be called socialist but Social Demarcates, however, it is the systems in the society the demonstrate its ideals. The Norwegian Unified School system is one such system that is specifically based on socialist ideals. Norway believes that everyone should have the same education no matter how brainy or ‘special’ – they call this equality. That is socialism. In fact, Norway is not competitive in an international market because its education isn’t built to be competitive.
Love the blog/posts. My hubby and I, both middle aged, have become quite disillusioned with life in Canada and have been searching for a better lifestyle for ourselves when I hit upon your post. We are both highly trained tradespeople and wondering if there are decent jobs as well as housing away from cities as we are very rural people…
Cheers
Heather
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Well, Norway is as ‘rural’ as you can get! The biggest city is the capital with only 500,000 people. Because of the Norwegian landscape the population is very spread out. We live in a small city of 19,000. We are only 10minute drive from the city centre (the speedlimit here is 40km/h) and we live on a farm. If you like it more ‘rural’ than that you can live between the small towns and cities were you will be the only ones for miles and miles – or you can try Spitzbergen.
Decent jobs? Trades are only a high school education here so it would be best for you to start your own trade business.