Lasting in Norway

When I first came here I was put in a group of immigrants to learn Norwegian. It hadn’t occurred to me that I was actually an immigrant myself, so I thought it very weird to be mixed in with everyone else. Americans, Brazilians, Vietnamese, Georgians, Puerto Ricans, English, Russians, Germans and even Australians were considered ‘immigrant’. Being labelled as such made it easier for all of us to become good friends and help each other live in this strange land called Norway. We could talk about how rude, funny, un-talkative, arrogant, simple, weird, casual, sweet, silly and adorable our Norwegian hosts were. We could share our struggles and disappointments as well as our successes. But most importantly we had a safe place to be Australian or Puerto Rican or German.
Having this group made me feel secure again. Knowing that people are experiencing what I was experiencing and therefore could understand what I was going through made life much easier. I would often bump into different classmates in the city and we would practise our Norwegian conversation. However, one by one they all started disappearing. A few moved down south to a bigger city, a few moved on to another country and the rest moved back home.
Today I found out that one of my closest ‘immigrant’ friends has returned to her home country. In Norway, she studied Norwegian so hard and actually finished the course ahead of everyone else. (I admired her greatly.) She worked, participated in community groups, and tried really hard to become a part of society. I thought she was destined to make a life in Norway. But like many, in the end it was still all too much for her.
I am very sad to know that she has gone (and a little jealous). She talks about sunshine, golden beaches and smiling faces – things that you don’t see much here in Norway. I surprised myself as I started to feel abandoned. After all the hard work I know we all put in to making Norway our home, I am the only one left. I secretly long to surrender and go back home where I can feel secure everyday again, but I can’t help feeling that I if I give up now I will always regret it. I have tried so much and have come so far, I can’t give up.
Even though Norway is a ‘modern’ country, it is a very hard place to live in. The environment is an everyday struggle. Just walking in snow or on ice takes twice as long to get anywhere. Trying to just live in society makes you feel inadequate, embarrassed and alone because of the language barrier. Simple things like trying to read the instructions on a food packet or calling up the telephone company can be such a struggle. Life can certainly be exhausting in Norway, if not humbling.
So why am I the last one standing? (I might just be too blind to see that I have failed…lol – but I think there is a better reason.) Circles. Lots and lots of circles! Everything that I have become involved in Norway I have gathered a circle of people around me. At uni, at dancing, at Norwegian class, at home, at work, even on the internet – but not just any circles – Norwegian circles. The best thing about circles is they have no end. The bigger splash you make the bigger your circle can become. I started just throwing pebbles but now when I get involved in anything I throw a big rock so the circles ripple wider and wider. At first I only had rocks of talent and enthusiasm and dedication, but as Lilu has become more adventurous she throws herself in with a big splash and makes my circle become even bigger.
I can certainly say that one of the best ways to last in Norway is to have a little Norwegian to lure you in. The best thing about Lilu’s big splash is that she effects other peoples circles too – I have never seen a Norwegian smile as much as when they get a big happy greeting from Lilu.
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Thanks for sharing this! It’s good to know I am not alone in finding Norway quite a tough country to live in… I don’t often admit to that, as I’m surrounded by people who totally love Norway (the real outdoor fanatics, I guess they found their perfect playground
) and are shocked even when I just say that I think the winter has lasted long enough… The other day in my Norwegian class the teacher asked us whether we liked Tromsø and if we wanted to stay here. I was afraid to speak up, as everyone she asked said they loved it and would not want to leave… except perhaps a bit further south in Norway. So I often feel like I’m the only one who’s finding it difficult.
as I don’t have a little Norwegian to help me making splashes!
I’ve lived in 4 different countries since I left my home country, and found out how much easier it is to feel comfortable in a country when you speak the language – it makes such a difference! So if only I could learn Norwegian a bit quicker…
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from L-Jay:
Være så god!
I think one of the things that makes is harder for me than most, being an English speaker, that it is not in my culture to learn another language. In oz we don’t have different languages on main TV with subtitles. We don’t really learn language at school, our families don’t speak other languages and everything in society is always in English. I think for English speakers the first thing to learn is learning how to learn language.
I understand about being ‘peer pressured’ into liking Norway. It’s happened in the classes I’ve been in to too. In class to the teacher they would say how wonderful Norway is but at lunch (I guess in the safety of friends) they would tell all the troubles they were having and how difficult it is to understand Norwegians. I think it is just easier to say you like a place rather than getting all the ‘why’ questions when you say you don’t like it.
One thing I find hard is that if you are living in Norway you are expected to really, really want to be here. You are supposed to love the culture, love the people, love the food, love the way of life etc. I find that these expectations from our Norwegian hosts are remnants of their national romanticism movement – the same juice that made them want to be an independent country. The idea of ‘all in or nothing’ is very strong here still. But falling in love with Norway takes time. For me, I first fell in love with a Norwegian. Then I fell in love with the nature. There are many other things that I need to ‘fall in love’ with (like the language) before I can truly say Norway is my home. I wish I was one of those people who fall in love at first sight, but for me, I have to experience everything before I can fall in love. You can’t love Norway until you know her. Trying your best to make a life here is the first step.
Thanks for your comment. I think it is important to share REAL experiences of making Norway your home. That way other ‘immigrants’ can learn and find comfort in our journey – we are those who have gone before
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I know what you mean about learning to learn a language… my boyfriend is from the UK and has the same problem. He hasn’t really learnt grammar etc in school either so is not used to that kind of learning. As for me, I don’t have the excuse of not being used to learning languages
– I am Dutch and speak Dutch, English, French and German (though I am by no means fluent in the last 2!). That does make it quite easy to understand Norwegian, but I still find it hard to speak… and some Norwegians keep telling me how most Dutch people are fluent in just a few months, which always makes me feel embarrassed cause I wasn’t able to learn that quickly.
And yes, it does take time to fall in love with a country. I do really love nature here, it is so beautiful. And I love seeing how much the Norwegians respect nature. There are many good things here, I think the problem is that I always feel like an outsider. That’s also because I don’t work here yet, I am writing up my PhD thesis which is a very lonely job and means I hardly have time for anything else, so it’s hard even to find time to learn the language and “dive” into society. And with my boyfriend on a postdoc contract ending next year, we don’t even know how long we’re staying. Still, as you say, I would like to try my best to make a life here!
I am very glad to read about your *real* experiences and learn from them!
I had a similar language situation except that I was Norwegean and suddenly had to learn English when our family immigrated to the U.S. I was in the 6th grade and landed in NY on Christmas eve and school started January 3rd. My sister was in the fourth grade and attended the same little school in upstate NY. The small one room scool we both attended in Norway did not offer any English lessons. However, after total immersion in this new language, we caught on very quickly. The details are a little hazy at this point as all this took place over sixty years ago but I do not remember the language being a big obstacle. I became a voracious reader of Westerns and Cowboy and Indian stories of all types. Zane Grey was one of my favorite authors. I’m sure the constant reading helped to conquer the language in short order. It took about a year to get the pronunciation of some words to sound proper. I still on rare occasions get my ‘v’s and ‘w’s mixed up and I still remember my 7th grade social studies teacher correcting my ‘one third’ pronunciation. She said the ‘h’ in third is not silent– somewhat embarrassing.
I have to admit, I migrated US and live here for 25 years but my background of being in an american school since kindergarten to high school was a great help, the language boundaries was not really a problem but now that I will be moving to Norway because my husband is norwegian, it will be a great journey, but the only thing i can say bring it on Norway!! a kind of understand the language although the pronunciation is different than German, i used to be an student in Germany for 4 years and I can say it is different than south america, culture, weather, attitude, everything. In this class that i am taking is amazing, i consider myslef high contact and open, i agree that first you have to like to be there, a kind of scared of the cold weather and makes me depress but I love US because US gave me a chance to live here, my children were born in the US and as you mentioned before, when you live there, know the language, the system, the volunteer hours, the teenage world how they interact with volunteering, I learned all of that in this country, and i will say I miss my traditions but at the present time, i consider myself 50-50 peruvian and american, if i have a bad experience in Norway, i look at things for a short term, but Norway is a beautiful country and they are quiet and low contact, but you have to have 100 attitude to do the best out of it.
Hey, I really enjoy reading your blog. It’s almost like reading my own experiences and I guess it is even more familiar when you speak of it from an Australian point of view (I’m born Singaporean but migrated to NZ and now feel more Kiwi than SG-er).
I have to say that while I love the beauty of the country, it is just so hard to get started in this country. Everything is made ten times worse. Nobody tells you anything. Everyone goes awol during the summer holidays. Maybe it’s just me but I feel all this and I get more and more discouraged everyday. I have met a wonderful Norwegian man and I want to build my life here with him. And even though I would prefer to go out and earn my own keep, the painfully long process of paperwork, learning the language and everything makes me want to just give up. In a way, I know can understand how the immigrants in NZ must have felt like when they had all these daunting tasks to do. I also feel pressured all the time to speak fluent Norsk – from my partner’s friends (who do mean well) to the lady at the Posten. I’ve been here about 3 months now and I feel as though I need to speak like Norsk as if I’ve been speaking it all my life.
Sorry for the rant here. I do hope that I last in Norway even though it seems like the difficulties will never end.
Thanks so much for your awesome blog!
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from L-Jay:
Norwegians are really hard on ‘immigrants’ learning the language. They kind of force it on you. But don’t let them. Take your time to learn the language, that way you will enjoy it more and learn it better. Also, we all do better at different things – I’m much better at reading Norwegian, then hearing it but my speaking is really bad. But that is ok. Norwegians just don’t get that people from an Aussie/Kiwi culture find it much harder than most to learn another language.
About finding it harder in Norway every day – one thing I’ve learnt is to forget all my expectations – when you can do this you won’t be disappointed in Norway. It is so easy to compare Norway with your home country and that is what makes everything harder. When you stop expecting that Norway should do things like this or like that, but doesn’t, you will become much happier.
You need to find your life in Norway. Don’t give up too soon. I’d say you need at least two years of trying before you can know if Norway is for you or not.
Lykke til.
Thanks for your encouragement and advise.
I will be taking one step at a time and hopefully things will work out in terms of job and language.
Adapting to any foreign culture and language takes time – a long time. The language is really a must – but to learn the language you need to use it, preferably every day. With (a lot of) hard work, you should be able to read and speak at a beginner level within 3-6 months (depends on several factors really). If English is your first (and only) language, you’ll probably have the hardest time – but don’t give up.
A lot of jobs will be unavailable to you unless you’re somewhat skilled in Norwegian. You’ll also feel a lot less alien if you break the language barrier, and you’ll integrate a lot better.
A lot of the cultural stuff you can only pick up by experience, but you could naturally get a lot of help from the immigrant community. Learn from their mistakes, and listen to their advice. They’ll also likely help you collect some benefits you had no idea you were entitled to. There are people who can help you with almost anything, if you just ask the right questions. Some things, like citizenship, involve so much red tape, you may be best off seeking competent legal aid early on.
I’m a Norwegian myself, and considering emigration because of the chilly climate. The summers are nice, but the winters are far too long for me.
Hii L jay
What a G8 site, what a wonderful accident, Almost all quarries are address in this blog, i feel lucky.
I want to live in Norway for different reason, beauty, wilderness, crime free environment. Asking you three questions
1I am indian with CIVIL Degree and Masters in structure, With 24 years of experience. What are my chances of getting job
2 My wife is Masters in Physics, Teacher, 11 years experience, Job?
3 Son Diploma in Interior Design, Little experience, Know CAD very well.
Younger son in 7th grade, will he adjust in new surrounding.
Advise me , Thanking you in anticipation
Ajay Verma
mail -erajayvee@yahoo.co.in
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from L-Jay:
You will have the best chance with speaking Norwegian first and passing the Bergenstest. Your wife could work at an international school if she speaks English but that will limit you on cities to live.
Congratulation for your website! There is so much informations, it’s wonderful.
I tried to send you a private message by clicking on the “contact”button on the bottom of the page, but it’s no possible to write a message, there is only a little text which appears.
I saw that the pages 201 to 212 don’t appear… I wanted to read your begining in Norway.
Why are you coming here? Where do you come from? Do you live in Tromso? About me, I’m french, I’m just arrived with my boyfriend who has found a job in tromso. I’ll be happy to speak with you!
Have a nice day!
Céline
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from L-Jay:
We’ll look into it, thanks.
We lived in Tromsø for three years. We live in Alta, Finnmark, now.
Great blog, congrayulations.
Thank you so much for all this information; it’s so good to hear REAL information about Norway. Before this site, I came across so many who speak a lot about the beauty of the country – but they say nothing about actually living day-to-day, as an English speaker. It does sound tough, and especially difficult coming from somewhere where it’s normal to have many friends from all over, and to hear different languages all the time, I don’t even notice anymore! However, it’s good to hear that some of you have had really positive experiences, and are continuing to do so. I’m not planning on moving over completely, just a few months with work.
So, thank you again! Look forward to hearing new updates.
This is a great site. I particularly like the comments about compulsory ‘love’ of Norway and Norwegians not really understanding how long it takes to learn the language. My husband is from Bodø and we are considering a move to Norway. I just finished a six week ‘test’ visit to try and learn language and culture. My children came back speaking the language and I learned a lot, but I did run into the cultural ‘twists’ I mentioned above. My family asked my husband if he loved and missed Norway, people often wonder whey he doesn’t move back, as if he has lost affection for both them and his country because he lives in the US. My husband has lived in the US off and on for almost 1/2 of his life so he is fully acclimated to the culture. I think this is sometimes hard for his Norwegian friends and family to understand, they have seen it as a puzzling rejection of his homeland which is not the case.
My daughter just moved to Norway and is married to a Norwegian. She will be taking classes soon to learn the language and such. I came across this site, because I thought I’d like to learn a bit of the language as well for future visits. This is a very nice site and I will pass it on to her. I have been enjoying a cooking show here in the states called New Scandinavian Cooking. It takes one all over the country and visually Norway is simply breathtaking. I do understand that emmigrating to any country where one is literally illiterate is a daunting experience. And from what I see and hear from my new son-in-law, Norway has a sparse population, and although well off, everyday lifestyle is far different than where I am from. As my daughter has just left the Orlando area where there is much to do, she is quite and understably lonely for activity and conversation. Any suggestions for her adjustment would be greatly appreciated. Anyway, I love your site and have included it on my toolbar. Thanks
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from L-Jay:
Work is the best way to gain friends. Then doing a university course and joining a club like håndball or fotball. Getting involved in the arts is good too. There might be an english speaking community group too, if she is lucky. Basically, if you don’t speak the language you will be excluded from society. Also, Norwegian women only really connect with Norwegian women because they generally reject anything that isn’t Norwegian. They will like to associate with ‘immigrants’ but will never bring them into their inner circle so it will be best for your daughter to keep strong ties with her friends from back home through the net at least to get some adult communication.
I am recently moved Norway from UK. i am just about to start BBA from local university which will provide coaching in English. some Peoples said that it is better to do local degree as it is Norwegian peoples don’t like any sort of twist and complications . technologically Norway is really far far ahead of UK and cost saving approach is cutting down places of odd job like reception and information. so i guess it is heaven only for educated peoples. that is so far my view.
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The Norwegian population is so over educated without any work ethic. In a lot of places you have to be in the ‘click’ to get jobs. Not all Norwegian education is valued in Norway. In fact, an arts and business education is more valued from overseas.